you, bill clinton had three different programs to reduce the budget deficit and bring about that. so it was a presidential decision. it's not the decision of the budget director. having said that he is widely recognized as being outstanding budget director. he is not widely recognized for understanding the world of finance or knowing the people in the world of finance but let's hope we don't have another financial crisis, although with the kind of deficits we are running, we are vulnerable to a financial crisis. >> but he appears to be a person you can rely on. >> yes, without question. he knows the budget, as people say, inside and out. he's a very solid guy. his word is taken at its face value, and he knows how to deal on 1. new york university, executive vice president and coo. that means pryears, 2010 to 20 126789 he's been chief of staff for this year. i guess last year and this year, and that's about it. >> we have our own wikipedia here on the set. >> we all want to be introduced to this guy. do you want to say anything about lew before we go on to hagel? >> go to hagel. >>